> It seems to me I've read that Maslow's hierarchy of needs has been
> discounted by most disciplines except management, based on later research.
I would be interested in that research. Too often science is used as
Maslow himself pointed out, to simply prove that one's own unresolved ego
issues are not truly unresolved ego issues. Take for instance the Reagan
rewrite for the unemployment figures. Very little was said about it at
the time, but the international economists today examining the U.S.
figures have stated that the genuine figure for the U.S. is between 12 and
!4%. Now the question is how do France, Germany, Italy and England
calculate their unemployment figures?
James Needham:
> > William Bennett, former drug czar, articulated it succinctly when he
> > recently said "unbridled capitalism is a problem to human beings. We are
Bill Harris:
> This sounds like the voice of Germany's Social Democrats (not said to bias
> the discussion but to recognize that many have suggested that the "free
> market" needs some externally applied controls to achieve what many/most
> would regard as a suitable societal state).
Actually, it would be interesting to conduct an experiment on any purely
"free market" absorbing another, less advanced economy. Considering what
immigration does to the American worker and that is nothing in comparison
to taking your poor relations into your home and giving them your son's
job. I'm not suggesting that what you are saying is wrong but I am saying
that there is a need for more serious holistic data then one usually finds
on this subject in the media.
JN
> > promotes the message that "The amoral, profit-at-any-cost, brand of
> > capitalism, has an effect on American culture that can be described as
> > corrupting and corrosive . . . Hollywood, Madison Avenue and Wall Street
> > too often put money before morality. We are the most prosperous society in
BH
> While we're putting on sackcloth, we should also remember that some
> European countries which have tried to find that balance have seemingly
> found the entitlements portion difficult to manage without impairing the
> attainment of other goals such as relatively full employment, relatively
> full participation in a high tech marketplace, etc.
After we have discounted Maslow's Self-Actualization as a goal then we can
look at Europe through the over-simplicity of social welfare vs. "free
market." Sorry Bill, it just isn't that simple. They have a different
concept of "home" than we do. An appropriate parallel would be like
comparing Islam or Christianity to Judaism. The first two being
aggressive in their marketing of their Internationalist theology. Judaism,
on the other hand is fighting over what constitutes "home" or Jewish
culture and who can say that you have it. The Jewish issue is more like
France, Germany or Italy and to a lesser extent England, while the
Americans are more like Islam or Christianity. Lately the Christians have
begun to talk more locally and less internationally, e.g., the Southern
Baptist boycott of Disney announced yesterday. That is actually more like
the French insistence upon maintaining the French perspective in the face
of alleged economic reality.
> > Humans are neither purely economic animals nor purely social animals but
> > have strong needs in both realms. A society that recognizes these needs
On another list, there was a municipality in Italy that is supposed to be
the most efficiently run municipality in Europe. The businesses are
profitable and the workers are responsible and happy in their work,
although they are known to be very tough economically. That was the story
on that other list.
If any one knows of that municipality could you post it. The unusual
point to that government is its politics. It is a communist government.
As I remember from the previous discussion, it sounds a lot like Bill
Gates and Micro-soft in their context. That however is not unusual, in
the board rooms of many corporations, they see themselves as small
governments and the policies are socialist/aristocratic within their own
context with the stockholders as a kind of politburo. What do you think?
Regards,
Ray Evans Harrell, artistic director
The Magic Circle Chamber Opera of New York
mcore@idt.net
P.S. In today's "Backstage" the "Wall Street Journal" of the theater
there is a front page article on the closing of America's premier regional
theater, the Candlelight in Milwaukee. Actually there were two theaters
connected and they both closed. Many of America's greatest actors have
come through those theaters. In New York the world famous "Circle in the
Square" closed this week. These were not just houses but actual
companies. Well I guess there will be more POd actors on their way to
Tinseltown willing to do any kind of work that is profitable and angry
enough not to care whether it is good for family life or not. Does all of
this family value stuff seem contradictory to anyone other than me? How
can you have a LO in the middle of such problems with the truth? REH.
--Ray Evans Harrell <mcore@IDT.NET>
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