Towards a new experience of time? LO21212

AM de Lange (amdelange@gold.up.ac.za)
Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:31:57 +0200

Replying to LO21176 --

Dear Organlearners,

Winfried M. Deijmann < winfried@universal.nl > writes:

>One of my musicprofessor statements was: "The real music
>lives in the 'In between'. If a musician can't live in the 'in
>between' he translates notes into tones, but he doesn't
>make music."

Greetings Winfried,

What a wonderful statement. It is like someone repeating some formal
knowledged acquired by memorisation without any underlying tacit knowledge
-- it is not the music of learning.

>Since the mechanical clock has entered our culture, the
>awareness of time as an everlasting rythmical flow has more
>and more vanished. What is left is the 'tick'.

Yes, we have some blood sucking insects in Africa which are also called
ticks. When they are finished with an animal, it is because they have
killed it. Think about it and what you also have written:

>As a rule one can say that every inner awareness-process
>that is replaced by an outer system or device, will 'kill' the
>inner awareness eventually.
>
>The next step was the digitalization of time. The 'in between'
>has totally disappeared.
>
>This disappearing awarenes for the 'in between' part of time
>might eventually kill all form of human spiritual life.

Why do we drop bombs when others do not follow our fixed time schedules?

>It is necessary that a countermovement develops.

I agree whole heartedly. It is "high time" to emerge from the "low time"
forced upon us by our clocks.

>When I work with managementteams on leadership issues
>the question of lack of time always comes up at a certain
>point. Instead of talking about the issue I propose them to
>join in an exercise in which I combine time, space and
>self-awareness.
>
>The exercise takes about 1.5 hours.

(snip)

>No group has ever failed me in stating that they had gained an
>extended notion of time.

Wonderful. Through experience they have grown in their tacit knowledge.
The next step is to articulate it by words (or express it by any other
means like playing music or leading an organisation) into formal
knowledge. But do they really get to that stage whereby they articulate
this "extended notion of time" by something else than time? See for
example my reply to Gavin Ritz where I use free energy rather than time in
my articulation.

>I tried to point into a new(?) direction of the notion of time
>and gave an example by means of an exercise, of how I
>make this concrete for Organizational Learning. Did I succeed?

Definitely for me! Thank you very much for sharing your "trade trick"
with us.

>Apologizes for the linguistic missteps here and there.

The same here. Writing in English for somebody who thinks in a different
language than English is not easy.

>greetings from Holland, windy and showers!

Is that how spring greets you? Here in South Africa our autumn is like our
spring. Their mildness does not indicate to anyone the increased entropy
production which our cold winters or hot summers will bring about. Spring
and autumn here are like Beethoven's even numbered symphonies while winter
and summer are like his odd numbered symphonies.

Best wishes

-- 

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