Replying to LO24809 --
Dear All Learners
>The predominant salt NaCl in the sea bears witness to this high
>reactivity as our tears witness it too. Our crying do not bring pure
>sodium Na and pure chlorine Cl forth, but NaCl -- ordinary salt which is
>the "strange attractor" for Na and Cl.
At de Lange.
Thanks At,
In terms of IQ, or any general levels of processing power, ability to
retain complicated, complex or just plain fruitful info' I am willing to
be tested (;) that I would sit in the lowest one percent of all who have
ever been here, are here now or will visit in some future- even the sad
personality who abused my learning shared via this domain privately last
week is probably in the sense most people find comfort in 'understanding'
cleverer than me. So if it helps any listeners who are not at the moment
speakers, here are two ways I have learned to view the processes involved
in some aspects of my own communication within the world.
Notes below Maturana's ideas mostly from an LO'er colleague,
1 Only in mankind is love conserved in the distinguishment of his own self
reflectivity.
2 In our mostly unconscious giantism there is escape from any trap; time
differences do not operate as time differences silence and sound mean
nothing as even time dis/appears.
3 Yet, still how brilliantly close in the language - is the flow of
coordinations of coordinations of con/sensual behaviours - witness
emergence of conversation /\ conservation.
4 Conversation meandering in deepening flow "That's the recursion!"
changefulness at every point self reflecting ~~~~~~ I see your 'mirror'
At.
5 Rick thinks upon a recursive thought, 'Then thinking is self
conversation. Reflection is self conversation.'
6 Andrew thinks upon a recursed and recursing thought, ' Then thinking as
self-conversation is self-conservation.'
7 Triple looped recurses -- who will measure me in my self
conservation/\conversation -- who goes there? -- knock knock!
8 Where is the gift in all this for the me/\we of Muhamed Ali?
9 Care to share your love in learning -- beyond our pretences of
privileged access to how things are -- you can (choose to) live without
demands.
10 Maturana is explicit -- We all construct a world floating on a
background of which we cannot speak.
11 Senge says that the background is becoming our foreground.
12 Maturana offers us that --languaging is conserved in the learning of
children.
13 Now, for something completely different;-)
14 but of speaking too...
15 I often dislike to the point of self-destruction what I say, write or
paint. I would never destroy what another say's writes or paints except in
the most exceptional circustances. This may be a strength or a weakness of
mine. This domain has taught me it may be both/and.
16 If I am asked to say anything within a group of people I always find
some way to speak without speaking, my two best methods are to hold up an
image that has a singular power to convey, always the work of another, or
I ask someone else to read what I have prepared. I hope to overcome this
somehow in the coming years. I was very encouraged when I discovered quite
by accident that Gandhi suffered a inability to speak for more than a few
moments in groups of much more than half a dozen people. I am sure there
are other examples.
17 I dislike very much my own 'voice' when I do speak; I do not like its
pitch or speed of delivery! I considered both always a debilitating
weakness and my accent too in a culture that prizes what is termed
'received pronunciation'. As I learned with a wide and open inquiring mind
I came upon certain helpful information, for example that Shakespeare's
characters were often asked to deliver lines at 'breakneck speed'..in
truth. until I became self conscious to my own disablity I would not have
heard it in Shakespeare's plays.
18 I also realised for the first time two years ago when a young girl I
was 'with' sang to me to reduce her own stresses that her strong regional
accent left her and she had what i like to call the 'common voice'. What a
gift of understanding for me, that in singing one might lose a regional
aspect and gain a more universal one, and more recently I accidentaly
discovered by running a dictaphone at 'half speed' after my self-dictation
that my 'other' voice has every 't' and 's' given and emphasised with due
care, but it is hidden in the 'speed', subsumed but there still 'singing'.
In fact my voice sounds at half speed just like that of my old painting
Master whose voice I always loved.
19 There is much else I have disliked about myself, and continue to
dislike but I will not bore you with my learnings more on that topic;-)
20 At the moment I look upon the notes of St Francis the church bells ring
out. Mmmm.
21 When Francis set out to write the 'Rule' for his order he did so in the
company of others. One was the cardinal Ugolino. The orders for the
brotherhood had to be set into legislation. (Formalised) In private they
may have argued but in public they agreed for the betterment of the good
that might come. One occasion Francis had to speak before Honorius and his
cardinals. Ugolino aware of Francis' lack of scholarship and aware that
often, however flowingly, recursingly brilliant his languaging was
(shooting from the hip;-) he sometimes tailed off into an ecstasy or
simply walked away in mid sentence. In this knowledge Ugolino was ' on
tenterhooks' for Francis and begged him to prepare the night before which
Francis obediently did. When the time came the words flew out of his
head...pause...and then 'began to well up in his heart.'
22 * He began fearlessly and spoke with such spiritual fire that he
couldn't contain himself for joy. When the words emerged from his mouth
his feet moved in time with them as if her were dancing, not frivolously
but alight with divine love. This didn't provoke laughter but tears, for
those present were deeply touched, astonished at the strength of his
devotion and God's grace in him.*
23 Only in mankind is love conserved in the distinguishment of his own
self reflectivity.
24 (All the notes about and from Maturana are from Rick Karash's published
notes when Maturana spoke at the Open University in the UK and of course a
few of the unfunny funny bits are my interpretations as reflections upon
reflections...) and Francis of Assisi. Adrian House Chatto & Windus ISBN 1
85619 489 2
[Host's Note: My notes from Maturana's seminar of March 1997 are at
http://world.std.com/~lo/97.03/0156.html -- There are three separate
pieces corresponding to the three days of the program. ..Rick]
25 Me? I'm in a bit of a flap at the moment;-)
26 (~just becoming my~self) Best in sharing,
27 ( I wish!) Andrew Campbell
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