Replying to LO27782 --
Andrew,
The sentence I was referring to is part of the larger text. A more
extended quote is
> As per the law of increasing returns, them that has get more votes, the
> have-nots
> get less. Gradually, one large, snowballing finale will dominate the
> dance-off. The biggest crowd wins. It's an election hall of idiots, for
> idiots, and by idiots, and it works marvelously. This is the true nature of
> democracy and of all distributed governance. At the close of the curtain, by
> the choice of the citizens, the swarm takes the queen and thunders off in the
> direction indicated by mob vote. The queen who follows, does so humbly.
By reading your reply and rereading your original message I think now that
what I quoted and attributed to you is in fact from Kevin Kelly. Is that
correct?
I am glad we agree both on the need for free energy for true democracy.
Regarding the rest of your e-mail. I will reply to it, but be aware that
you (as some other participants with this list) write very poetic
sentences; beuatifully but manytimes difficult for me to understand.
English is not my native language.
Regarding,
> the important role of "freeenergy" in the whole governance of living
> entities. Its the but about the scouts, that go out anonymously, looking
> for better places, then they return to tell the hordes...doesn't that ring
> a bell with you? Does that not ring a bell with you Rene? Does that ring a
> bell of freedom? Do you/we still listen for the bell of freedom ringing on
> the hill.
I do understand that there are people that go out anonymously, looking for
better places and then return to tell the hordes. I am inclined to do that
myself. It is in that sense different behavor but not necessarily free
behavior. Maybe those people, like those bees, are programmed that way to
create diversity.
Regarding,
> You know Rene, those dots, what are
> they to you. For me they are steps, stars and cries of "Yeh!" "Yes!" they
> are an eternity of longing to go home and the voice of a truer democracy.
Those dots are two things for me.
(a) Real freedom is in silence. Not in (metaphorically) a bell of freedom
ringing on a hill. Because that would create a kind of Laing / Watzlawick
paradoxical assignment; something like "Act spontaneous!"
(b) Martin Luther Ling was a gifted speaker. He knew that people listening
to him needed time to go inside and find inside themselves the truth
regarding what he was saying. I believe At has referred plenty tmes to
this kind of learning.
The cries of "Yeh!" "Yes!" are - technically speaking - also part of the
feedback loop between King and his audience.
Regarding
>...you know Rene when I envisioned it...the man running
> around with his head in a beemass I saw twothingsinonething...I saw a man
> with his head wrapped into a television set, it could have been a computer
> screen assembly and I saw a man blind and mad and running around doing
> great damage to himself and all around him.
I guess your envisioning took place from the perspective of an outsider.
Try to envision from the perspective of this man running around with his
(=your) head in a beemass; it will yield a different result. In the center
of the cyclone there is silence.
Regarding
> Rene, do you think that the future we may envision now is wrapped into the
> forms from the past? I have a photo of a little black boy who lives in a
> ditch,
I guess that if you envision the future beased on the items you refer to,
like the speech of Martin Luther King jr, the picture of the little black
boy, etc. than yes, you are envisioning the future with a mind that is
wrapped into forms from the past. In that sense you are a man blind and
mad and running around doing great damage to yourself and all around you.
But don't worry Andrew, LO'ers... there are hands coming from the corners,
lifting you up. They are attached to bodies bent over you. I expect they
are about to ask you, 'Who are you?"
Regarding,
> Here is one more thing I do not understand, so please do me the honour of
explanation
> "Laws treat of the network and not of what the network describes." -
> Wittgenstein
I cannot explain this to you. First, I am not sure that this is a correct
quotation. Second, I do not understand it. But I can give you an
indication of how to find the answer yourself.
Some steps are:
a. Envision yourself as the network: you are the network.
b.1. Envision 'what the networks describes'
b.2. Make a picture of it; something like a photo of a little black boy who
lives in a ditch.
b.3. Enlarge the picture, blow it up so that you don't see the picture as a
whole but as dots.
b.4. Let those dots move around like some kind of vortex, a tornado...with a
lashing tail...and be astonished then (knot). If you can envision it with
some pace it will act like a swarm, gather you up, carry you along and drop
you somewhere else, new, changed...but 'knot' because where else can you
go;-) and old Mr Confucius himself would have recognized the symphony, the
light and the dark chords, the amblazoning days and night, the embraidings
of chaos and order...just around the uncorner of a turning world.
b.5. Envision yourself as this man running around with his head in a
beemass.
c.1. Envision yourself as Wittgenstein.
c.2. Envision that you as Wittgenstein sees a man blind and mad and running
around with his head in a beemass and doing great damage to himself and all
around him.
c.3. Realise, still from the perspective of Wittgenstein, that the future
this running man can envision is wrapped into forms from the past
c.4. Realise, as Wittgenstein did before you, that, "Laws treat of the
network and not of what the network describes."
d.1 Be silent. In silence is freedom. If you have free energy, you can be
silent. If you can't be silent, you don't have free energy.
d.2. Meditate on the question: "Who am I ?".
With love
René
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