Replying to LO28049 --
Dear Organlearners,
Andrew Campbell < ACampnona@aol.com > writes
>Dear At,
>
>How weak does God become in order to become with the weak?
Greetings dear Andrew,
I thought that this question was put to me so I gave you a private answer.
I did not made sure that you also sent a copy to the LO-list. So I will
now have to quote this private reply of mine:
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Dear Andrew,
This is a fantastic question, but definitely not one to be asked in a
conservative religous society.
This is exactly why the incarnation of God in Jesus had to happen. This is
exactly why Jesus who performed many miracles made no attempt at a miracle
on the cross to free himself. This is why the greatest miracle of all
happened on the third day -- the resurrection of the flesh.
Yes, Jesus became as week as a lamb.
Love.
At
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I apologise to fellow learners from other religions or even with no
religion at all, for going seemingly into a pure religious thing.
But it concerns one of the deepest topics in creativity, one which I call
the creative collapse (deconstruction). To become weaker in order to
become stronger. Perhaps you can reflect on it too. I would certainly like
you to reflect on it because every paradigm shift requires a creative
collapse to become successful. I see it now happening so many times here
in South Africa that I often wonder why others do not see it too. To give
up in order to gain more. To stop digesting in order to begin bifurcating.
In the Islam this is for example a central feature of any muslim. Although
the Islam deny Jesus as God-Son incarnated, the Islam certainly recognise
Jesus as a Muslim
I apologise to fellow Christians who find this answer too blunt. In the
conservative, traditional Christianity in our country much is made of
omnipotent God seeking judgement and vengeance in the crucifixion of
Jesus.
Little attention is given to a message such as "God does not judge, but
loves." This message tells us to seek much more in the sacrifice of Jesus
than merely judgement and vengeance. For me it tells to also seek for the
weakness adjointed to a creative collapse so as to obtain an emergence
(the resurrection) which many believe to be impossible. Yes, just as each
emergence in the human spirit has it adjoints like happiness and
curiosity, each creative collapse also has its adjoints such as weakness
and humility. It tells me to seek for the togetherness which Jesus had for
even those who crucified him by praying to God to forgive them.
I think Andrew had this in mind because the following is how he replied to
my letter:
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Dear At,
You are up early this morning...and so am I. This morning is one of those
special days, first warm sunny flowery day. Flame like flowers in bright
garments shoot from the dark rich and complex soil and ...in the fields of
uncurling grasses the lambs ...this morning in a lane with Bucket I had
eyeball to eyeball contact with a blackbird... jet black, yellow rimmed
eye, black eye, yellow beak...we just watched each other from our
respective perches;-)
It is very moving for me, deeply felt inside me, that you are as real to
me 'not having met you' as you would be if you were present in this room
and I am 'present with you'. I do not think that physical proximity is a
barrier to deeper understandings and learnings. There are unaccountably
many levels of perfect collapse toward that affinity we all yearn for.
It comes as a shock to my system sometimes to appreciate how close God is,
how close Jesus can become when I can open up to the right level. For me
it is through seeing inwardly and outwardly. And trusting in what is at
hand;-)
Love,
Andrew
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I apologise to you Andrew for making your private letter to me public.
Perhaps you thought I was going to reply only in private. You were right
because I thought your letter was private because I made a mistake. I did
not make sure a copy was sent to the LOlist. I had to correct that mistake
and the only way in which I could do was to make public what happned
privately.
Coming Friday to Sunday Christians will again have time to think about it
all and the many mysteries in it telling how much we still have to learn.
With care and best wishes
--At de Lange <amdelange@gold.up.ac.za> Snailmail: A M de Lange Gold Fields Computer Centre Faculty of Science - University of Pretoria Pretoria 0001 - Rep of South Africa
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