Dear Steve
I have not followed the conversations too carefully on some of these
issues and some of them I really do not care for at all. But I would like
to point out that even Einstein said that when you try pick up something
in the universe you find everything else attached to it. Even Bohm wrote
about the holographic universe and how everything is attached to
everything. How does this help me in trying to solve some of the problems
I have, well only in that if I do something I must observe all the
interactions. Further much of our so-called scientific theory and so
called causal science is not correct at all. Association in statistics
does not prove that one thing caused another at all, this has been abused
by science for so long now, the fact that man and mice are 90% genetically
the same does not mean they are the same or that mice caused man or visa
versa, many so called causal proofs are such. Also many of our theories
are abstractions of abstractions that really have no proof at all in many
of the fields of science. So many so called proofs are becoming redundant
within shorter and shorter periods. Just look at the new models in
medicine, geology, engineering etc that have replaced ones that were
gospel just a few years ago. I actually find the seats of learning in our
societies so reductionist that it is becoming increasingly difficult to
make sense of many of the so called theories that are now espousing the
new truths!!!!!!
In connection with this spirit stuff that is as much fantasy and human
hope, ideals and dreams, things have not changed too much from ancient
times only the contexts really. The human race were physical nomad's just
a short while ago today we are mental emotional nomads, we fear our losses
and dread our fears, fear our pain and long for our desires to be met, not
knowing what it is we really want. We strive for a future full of hope and
ideals, that are espoused in religions, but not really knowing inside what
that striving is really all about. We go around in circles hoping we will
find our fulfillment but not knowing were to look. Coming up with ideals
of man and God we defend ourselves, our opinions our securities and values
not really knowing what we defend. We defend our systems and our sciences
we hope and long for the answers but ask the wrong questions. Cling to our
pathetic beliefs which are based on faith which are pinned on hopes and
ideals and values, ambitions and strivings with ludicrous convoluted
spiritual pictures. Maybe if we laughed and were more playful it would
remove some of the pain. Those that say they have no pain just block it
and relegate it to the weak and sick.
But this has its place just like science, being an engineer and now a
social scientist I have had the great opportunity to view the world from
two totally different points of view, they don't seem to me to be to far
apart. Often saying the same things in different ways. But don't quote me
on that.
Kindest
Gavin
> Occam's razor teaches: do not multiply entities unnecessarily. That is,
> shave away all concepts that add nothing to understanding, or that seem to
> explain while actually doing nothing but weaving webs of language.
>
> I look at a troubled university department, for example, trying to find
> the source of the troubles. Someone says that the trouble can be located
> with the help of the concept of "entropy." I try to use the concept to
> help with the department, and find that it not only does not explain
> anything, but it creates new complexities: now I am trying to find and
> measure something called "entropy," as well as find the troubles.
>
> So: I use Occam's razor, shave away "entropy," and find I have removed
> nothing useful, but have actually gotten rid of an unnecessary linguistic
> burden.
>
> Now, what is your warrant, your evidence for asserting that the "holonic
> structures" of the "spirit" and "quantum physics" are the same?
--Gavin Ritz <garritz@xtra.co.nz>
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