Greeting LOrs!
Hello Winfried,
In the post referenced above you wrote the following statement:
>But am I living non-spontaneously because I have to breathe and drink and
>eat? Are my ideas non-spontaneous, because they build on a constant stream
>of information from outside (reading books, participating in this
>list...)? Of course drinking and eating as well as books cost money. But
>to this cost, my earnings need to be added to get a saldo. This may be
>positive or negative, depending on life-style and environment. This all
>does not feel very related to the issue of spontaneity.
>So this inside/outside seem not to be very helpful with respect to
>spontanous or non-spontaneous happenings. ...snip...
I would like to point out that, while the resources required to sustain
the system (you) are external to the system, the FREE ENERGY to obtain
them comes from inside the system (for example, you have the financial
capability through your earnings and the physical ability to get the
food). So your behaviors in this situation are spontaneous (initiated by
you).
This is parallel to At's illustration of the corporation that invests its
free energy in the form of profits to accelerate the entropy production in
one of its divisions. The profits (free energy available in the system)
allow them to bring additional re sources into the system to act as a
catalyst for the entropy production necessary for bringing the system to
the edge of chaos and bifurcation.
An example that might illustrate a system that has no free energy of its
own might be a person on life support. They have no ability to obtain the
resources (for example, oxygen and nutrition) that they need on their own,
therefore we must introduce energy from outside the system on a continuing
basis (non spontaneous) for them in order to avoid immergence (death).
Does this help?
Jon Krispin
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